It has been ten years since the Dum Dums first rocked their way onto UK airwaves and into our hearts, but one underrated album, a string of catchy singles and a breakup later; ex front man, Josh Doyle, still delivers the goods as an independent solo artist. Josh sheds some light on what it is like being an independent artist having come from a mainstream pop background.
It’s a decade since the Dum Dums first single was released, how do you think the industry has changed?
Completely. We were popular during a boom time, the biggest year ever for music. If we would have brought [our music] out today with our sales from then, we would have had all number ones! Back then it would have been impossible to be independent but now there are avenues opening up all over the place.
It is commonly thought that your record label dropped you (the band), what actually happened?
Hahaha! Sometimes people want the quickest story possible to tell their buddy but its not like they lost interest and said, “you didn’t sell enough records, you’re dumped”. You can watch our documentary at dumdums.com to see how it panned out.
How much pressure is there to conform to what is popular?
I think, for me, I would prefer to be making music no-one else is making and be ahead of the pack. I might be inspired by a currently popular song, but that will just go in the bag with all of the other inspirations. I get inspired by songs that are true more than songs that are trendy, cause what value will trendy songs have in a few months but kitsch value?
How much do you think labels responsible for ‘copy-cat’ artists?
There are usually a couple artists that come out with something real and then labels create or sign other mediocre versions. It’s very sad but I understand it economically, most record labels want to make money above everything else.
What are the good and bad things about being independent as appose to on a label?
I now have the choice to say “no” and you don’t have that tied to a label. You do it, but really will I be happy having all these new fans and success if I have kids I never got to see and no marriage? When I was a pop star for those few years all I knew was touring, interviews, performances, I saw brief snatches of the news and I could read about life as it was happening but I was not living in the real world.
Many mainstream artists have opted to go ‘Indie’, do you think this surge has undermined the significance of being an independent artist and having freedom etc?
No, it shows the legitimacy of it as an option. Before it would be that you would be an independent because a record label wasn’t interested in you and all the independents were niche artists or just really bad ones that wouldn’t translate to the general public and wouldn’t make a label money. When you see these big bands go indie it is a powerful statement that the labels are doing things poorly.
Which song from your Values and Virtues album is your favourite and why?
I am happiest about how “Ghosts like you” and “Waiting for the payoff” turned out. They are both unfiltered truth and artistically they build some great pictures and tell a story about the world as I see it. Plus they are catchy, ha!
Picture by Allen Clarke
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5 comments
Lisa says:
Mar 20, 2010
Great interview – nice to see such a talented musician/artist getting much deserved recognition at long last!!!
Glenn says:
Mar 20, 2010
The commercial music industry is so painfully stagnant right now, but obviouslyy that’s not a new realisation, it has been for so long. It’s almost sad to see such a gigantic institution become so archaic, directionless and lost. At the same time artists like Josh, being able to establish themselves away from such a system, regaining all direction, and still finding a platform with which to release their music and learning that they have a fanbase ready to hear that music, can only ever breed creativity from the confidence of having ‘the final say.’ This isn’t about being disposable, or being a ‘lesser’ act by not connecting yourself to the corporate push, it’s about having forsight, and the belief in your own end product. In my eyes Josh Doyle is fast becoming a musical trailblazer, and surely that is no bad thing.
Thom says:
Mar 22, 2010
Josh has turned out two fantastic EPs through just hard work and good songwriting. Was lucky enough to catch him on his self organised UK tour last year where he played a full set of old and fantastic new material.
The dumdums were a great band and its great to see both Josh and former band mates Steve Clarke and Stuart Baxter Wilkinson alongside Michael Clarke (of Clarkesville) and young David Wright in the guise of Rogue States continuing to make fantastic new music.
Working their way up in a world of big labels and little cash is a frightening task but with a broad set of principles and some great tunes its not going to be long before Doyle and and his former comrades Clarke and Wilkinson get full reward for their efforts.
Kirsty says:
Mar 22, 2010
I followed Dum Dums all those years ago and still listen to their music today. I’m very excited to hear some of Josh’s new work. He has an individual, easily recognisable voice which I simply adore. Josh is a very talented songwriter & he deserves much more recognition that he has ever had before. I really hope there will be many many more interviews in the near future!
faradums says:
Mar 25, 2010
i like this: I get inspired by songs that are true more than songs that are trendy.
I love Josh’s new works. and I’m happy I can still enjoy his great music even without the record label